Obama's health care Speech- GOP Rep Wilson calls a liar a liar

Rep Joe Wilson Yells Out "You Lie" During Obama Health Care Speech!



What spurred Joe to lose his cool momentarily, only a few sentences after Obama had called others liars, and shout out, "you lie!" was the Obama statement that 'illegal' immigrants are not covered by the plan.

And now Rep. Wilson is being called out for being 'disrespectful' - but Obama isn't.

I seem to recall the Dem's boo-ing Bush during his 2005 State of the Union speech...still waiting' for that apology...hope I don't turn blue (no pun intended)

Obama can stand there and admonish and call people distorters and liars - but lord help anyone non-liberal to protest or speak up.

Joe's belief is held by millions of us.

Someone standing up finally. Joe 'the stones' Wilson. Way to go Joe.

It's time someone stood up and called Obama what he is.
A liar.
And that's just the short of what he is.

You can be sure that the Dems will try to use this too rally together to shove the public health option down our public throats.

Wait a minute--------I thought the whole "we have to get this done now" emergency - was to cover the uninsured - but according to Obama 9-10-14 million uninsured illegals will not be covered???

There will be those who will argue with you using Section 246 of the bill that contains language to the effect that illegal immigrants will not receive “Federal payments for affordability credits”:
“Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

Yes that is in there- but what is NOT in it, and why?

Well, that's in there for those who would object to a continued rising cost of health care due to illegals. You are supposed to read it, digest it, and move on.
It's called bamboozle politics in my book. They can tell one side of an issue not to worry (illegals are not covered--abortions are not covered) while they whisper in an ACORN type house "How Too" get around and game the loop holed-eligibility system. SHhhhhhhh - we left that particular provision unenforceable. Please send contributions cause we're alookin' out fer ya.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS) says this about H.R. 3200, the Obamacare bill approved just before the recess by the House Energy and Commerce Committee chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA:
Under H.R. 3200, a 'Health Insurance Exchange' would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange.

Illegal immigrants are covered by loopholes; Not just covered, but written in such a way to allow for illegal immigrant fraud which the Republicans tried, in 2 amendments, to address, and the Dem's voted them down. (1. find Heller Amendment; 2. find the CRS report) The Hispanics caucus made sure the Dem's understood- without loopholes- no community cooperation come election time.

Why else did democrats block the amendment too a verification requirement? They did the very same politic obstruction by throwing out a Republican amendment that abortions could not be covered by federal funds.

Why make sure that there are loopholes?

There is to be no verification of proof of citizenship other than a Social Security number- and we all know how that has worked out in the fraud department. Anyone can fill in a non-verified number, and certainly have. To the tune of Billions! The Republicans tried to make verification of citizenship a requirement- the Dems'said - No way!

The other thing in the health bill specifically covering illegals is the provision that if even ONE person in a household has US citizenship (like a child born here) then everyone in the household is covered.

The illegals who don't use the actual left-open for fraud (please vote dem) HR 3200 loopholes - will still be using the health care system...and who pays for it? And how do loopholes bring national costs down?

[Update: On Friday, 2 days after Obama's speech, Senate Finance Committee and Obama said they would move forward to close these loopholes and require verification - this would not have been done without Joe Wilson]

Besides, of course illegals are still covered - it's called "EMERGENCY ROOM".

Were we not told that the largest costs of the present system is the Emergency room use?

The question I have is, are they paying for it ?... if so-> fine.

Obama's statement that illegals won't be covered begs these other questions - even if this wasn't (but is) an obscured HR 3200 lie - if they are NOT covered then who the hell pays for 9-14 million uncovered illegal immigrant health care users then?

How does this non-covered illegal immigrant plan then, Mr. Obama, reduce fraud, premiums, waste, and costs to the rest of those in this ponsi care?

Besides, let's be real, Obama isn't to concerned with the whole illegal immigrant not-covered-lie because he plans on granting amnesty anyway.

Sooooooooo, clearly we arrive at what IS, is.

Passing this Obamacare is a very bad idea. Insurance reform you bet - Obamacare- forget it.

Another lie was when Obama said, "Not One dollar would be taken from Medicare to pay for the health plan"................"lie"

Congress Has already passed - The Comparative Effectiveness Research Act. It was hidden within the stimulus bill. And, The Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission is in HR 3200 health care bill.
The Comparative Effectiveness Research Act would establish **a new nonprofit corporation outside of government as the locus of CER, **financed through a contribution from Medicare of $1 per beneficiary, with annual increases tied to medical inflation; private plans would be required to contribute $1 per covered life beginning in 2013...
and of course we all know of the 500 Billion in cuts he plans to make in medicare to help pay for 'his progressive friends' ultimate goal.

Obama says the plan will be paid for by 622 billion (previously known as 500 billion) taken from medicare savings in waste, fraud and lack of efficiency...

My questions:
How will you find these cost savers?
Why haven't you found these dollars before now and paid down our deficit, or kept our system from failing?
How do you pay for this plan if you can't find and stop waste and fraud?
Have you found any of this money yet?
When has government ever been efficient?

Then he also said that the plan will not add one dime to the deficit...
The Non- partisan CBO has already addressed that Obama lie.
(if i recall from memory (re find facts) his bill will add 239 Billion to the deficit the first ten years- and over a trillion the next 10 years)

Then we have Obama referring to Sarah Palin's death panels charges as bogus and a lie.
He can call anyone he wants a liar. But don't dare call him one.
You can call it what you want - but the Ezekiel Cost Effectiveness Panel is already set up and it's purpose is to find ways and means to deny care, too the very youngest and to the oldest among us, to save dollars - Clearly too deny care will kill people. There are other programs also.

What was it that Obama said?? Oh yes -paraphrased - Do you really need a hip replacement? Go home, shut up, and take a pain pill.

Obama: "There is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place..." about those at the end of their lives who account for 80% of health care costs.

A democratic conversation...about those costing money in a health care system...share the sacrifice and get out of our pie.

What kind of conversation do you want with me?? Go home and die? who decides?

No longer a doctor patient conversation to save, or prolong, a life.

So please, wake up. It is precisely a democratic death panel, for costs control, determining when you cease to receive medical care.

How long will you refuse to hear his words?

Here's one problem I had with this campaign rally- trying to imply in a disdainful partisan speech to the nation that it's the uncooperative Republicans responsibly that.... more uninsured people will 'die this month' because of wild claims of government take over --delays and division-- and distortion of truths that are scaring people.

pssssst...the democrats are in control of both houses not the republicans.

There are no wild claims - a government take over of health care is precisely the purpose of those who want it, in order, they tell us, to control costs. Call it what you will- it's a take over of health care by government that is scaring people.

Delays and divisions are in Obama's own party- and distortions and lies about what is in the Democrats plan/s, by the Dem's, has people divided. Dem's standing before people lieing about the plans, and not listening to the people who have actually READ the plans, has people angry.


Republicans Insurance Reform ideas are afforded little or no consideration. Their stance against a government run system is blocked out.

Obama could stand there and disrespect the right even calling them wild, bogus, liars in front of the nation, but Mr. Joe shouldn't call a liar a liar.

Obama ought to get his own House in order and stop blaming everyone else, per usual.

Pelosi's - No Public Option, then No Bill says She Can't Pass Bill Without Public Option.
Obama's says to us - you will get a bill anyway despite public opinion.
"They can't stop us." Screw you.

Slap the right and tell them your door is always open...with pre-conditions...

Even Ahmadinejad gets a better invitation than that.

In the entire "perils of too little government" spiel he just continued to ignore that the people don't want bigger government.

There was nothing he said to bring costs down.

There was little he said to bring people together.

In fact the net is already ablaze with Obama's cybergoons attacking Joe Wilson for calling Obama a liar.

Joe was right though - Obama lied.

Rep. Wilson has apologized for his spontaneous outburst - Obama, with his well prepared disdainful partisan text, has not.

Making false representation is fraud.

Mr. Obama, you continue to misrepresent what is in the plans - and since you have- it is the people of America who will call YOU out.

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"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face!"
-Obama Sep 18, 2008